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Posted 8/28/2005 11:31:30 AM


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This an area I see the most deviation from the way we expected people to use Timeless Time & Expense.  I am raising the topic because we'd like to know the reasons.  Because of the differences, it seemed like a good topic to get the online community started.

When we define activities in TT&E, we define it is something that is done to accomplish a specific task, but is not a task by itself.  The example we use in our help files is:

If a project was to make dinner. Part of making dinner is to make soup and a cake. The activity of Stirring applies to both, but would not be a task itself. 

While this is a simple example, it you think about your own work, you can identify activities of your own.

Option 1
The first is the way we expected activities to be used.   Activities are created under the Tools | Options menu item.  When time entries are created, an activity is selected.  Those who use activities like this, typically change the options to show the Time Entry properties when starting and/or stopping a timer.

The biggest benefit to this approach is the ability to summarize reports based on activity.  So you could find out just much time your staff spends on different activities across all projects.  Another benefit is that is simplifies your task hierarchy.

Option 2
Add a task level for Activities.  Using this method, each activity is added under each task item that needs it.  There is extra work to create the extra items in the task hierarchy.  The benefit is that it eliminates an extra step to select the activity when creating a new entry.  Additionally, you can see the activity breakdown for each task without creating a separate summary report.

So, why do you use one method over the other?  Is there anyone who has used both and can shared their experiences?

Mark Griebling
MAG Softwrx, Inc.

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Posted 10/10/2005 3:27:02 PM
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I see option 1 as the most suitable. But one thing that i don't like is that activties are the same all over the project tree. I would like feature where you can define activeties on any node in the tree. Of course a feature "use parent activities" would be needed.
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Posted 1/5/2006 7:39:49 AM
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Option 1 also works best for me. Here's how I use it.

I do work for several clients and for each of those clients, possibly several projects. For example, for a particular client, I might work on a certain curriculum (being the project management / business analysis instruction business). Within that curriculum, I might work on several courses, and within those I might work on several tasks. For each task, I might perform several standard activities. The levels might not go to that depth, but I do want the option of applying the standard activities since those are billed differently.

A more specific example is:

Client X -
- business analysis curriculum -
- course A -
- activity: development
- activity: lead instructor

- course B
- activity: development
- activity: lead instructor

Having the list of standard activities has made time tracking much easier.
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Posted 2/1/2006 7:52:39 PM
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Ok, I've been looking at this product and I like what I have seen so far.

In the mean time, I thought I would give you some feedback on the way I do things. I am a Software Consultant and my hierarchy is this:

Client A
___Web Site
______Add X to Web Site
_________Design Application
_________Create Tables
_________Create Stored Procedures
_________Create Data Access Code
_________Create Business Access Code
_________Create UI Code
_________Test
_________Deploy
___Application
______Add Feature A
_________Modify Existing Table
_________Modify Stored Procedures
_________Modify Existing Code
_________Test
_________Deploy
______Fix Bug B
_________Reproduce Problem
_________Research Solution
_________Fix Bug
_________Test

I need this level of detail because it helps me create more accurate estimates in the future.

So for me, I could live with the existing hierarchy that you currently support because the activities pretty much apply to all my customers. However, I need one more level to break it down to how I have it here. I need a Sub-Sub Task

When I bill the client, it would be for a rollup of the work under "Add X to Web Site", "Add Feature A", "Fix Bug B", so I would want to be able to click on those lines and see a total for everything under that.


Brien King President, ClassicSoft, LLC brien@classic-soft.com
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Posted 2/1/2006 9:17:12 PM


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Adding levels is easy.  Using the Task tab of the program options (Tools | Options menu item) you can add or rename up to 20 levels.

As far as totalling, this is best done in a summary report using the Rollup totals feature.


Mark Griebling
MAG Softwrx, Inc.
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